How can you make a better claim to your ISP?

Complain to your ISP for poor quality of service is not an easy thing to do and event more difficult to "win". Almost always going to be as guilty by equipment installed, especially the WiFi router. In this paper, several methods that may be useful to be able to make better claims to your ISP. - Quentin Sherman Xue - CEO.

 

How can you make a better claim to your ISP? VTR in Chile for example.


If you have a bad quality of the Internet in your home and go to complain to your ISP (Internet Service Provider), the first question is for the WiFi router installed. How I can answer if people of ISP guy says the problem is my router?

It is true that not every probelm of Internet at home can be caused by your ISP. Indeed, sometimes it's your router.

Most Chilean households (or other countries like U.S.) has this configuration:

 

CABLE COAXIAL - ISP MODEM DE - ROUTER WIFI - PCS/Notebooks

Therefore, if there is problem of loss of Internet connection, you must first determine the location of disconnection, using PING command:

1. PING IP_ROUTER - pings from a PC to your router, for example for a DLINK router, ping -t 192.168.0.1 (from Windows), o ping 192.168.0.1 (from a Linux). If it works, it means that you are connecting from your PC to your router. On the contrary, if it fails, there are several possibilities: some routers, for example DLINK DIR Model 635, lose their connection to the PC when lifting the WAN connections (between router with modem). Or maybe your missed the connection between PC to your router.

2. PING IP_MODEM - most ISP modems IP is 192.168.100.1, you can determine if there is connectivity from your PC to the modem using command ping -t 192.168.100.1 (Windows) or ping 192.168.100.1 (Linux)


With what argument can claim better your ISP?

Unlike some other countries, the USA for example, in Chile, almost all modems are provided by the ISP directly. Moreover, almost never going to get a new modem, all are used. A modem that comes out of your house, will enter ISP's lab to be cleaned and installed in another house (with box as if new)

The data provided by this modem can be very useful to make better claims to your ISP, if the case is caused by poor quality connection.

You can see modem's data with a browser, google chrome, firefox or Internet Explorer: http://192.168.100.1, then click "Logs", you will see a screen like this: 


Time Priority Code Description
2010-02-05 15:31:21 6-Notice I401.0 TLV-11 - unrecognized OID
1970-01-01 00:00:17 3-Critical D003.0 DHCP WARNING - Non-critical field invalid in response.
1970-01-01 00:00:08 3-CriticalR002.0 No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out (US 8)
1970-01-01 00:00:03 6-Notice M571.1 Ethernet link up - ready to pass packets
2010-02-05 15:30:49 6-NoticeM573.0 Modem Is Shutting Down and Rebooting...
2010-02-05 15:30:49 3-Critical R004.0 Received Response to Broadcast Maintenance Request, But no Unicast Maintenance o
2010-02-05 15:29:22 6-Notice I401.0 TLV-11 - unrecognized OID
1970-01-01 00:00:18 3-Critical D003.0 DHCP WARNING - Non-critical field invalid in response.
1970-01-01 00:00:07 3-Critical R002.0 No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out (US 8)
1970-01-01 00:00:03 6-Notice M571.1 Ethernet link up - ready to pass packets
1970-01-01 00:00:02 6-Notice M571.4 Ethernet link dormant - not currently active
2010-02-05 15:28:49 6-Notice M573.0 Modem Is Shutting Down and Rebooting...
2010-02-05 15:28:49 3-Critical R004.0 Received Response to Broadcast Maintenance Request, But no Unicast Maintenance o
.... .... .... ....
1970-01-01 00:00:08 3-Critical R002.0 No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out (US 7)

If there is an item says "Modem Is Shutting Down and Rebooting", Internet service has problems, and it is the responsibility of the ISP. With this, you have the argument and evident to "win" to your ISP, so that it makes a repair and payment discounts (this is what hurts them).

If you are interested in having more technical arguments that avoid you from feeling like you are "cheated" with pure storytelling, you click "Signal" and you will a screen like this:


DownstreamValue
Frequency705000000 Hz
Signal To Noise Ratio36.8 dB
Power Level-8.8 dBmV
The Downstream Power Level reading is a snapshot taken at the time this page was requested. Please Reload/Refresh this Page for a new reading

Upstream Value
Channel ID 8
Frequency 34000000 Hz
Power 48.2 dBmV

The acceptable ranges are:

  • Downstream  (technicians call it RX):
    • Signal To Noise Ratio (SNR) - must be above 35 dB as the limit (VTR has it 33dB), if this value is less than 35, might have problem of reception quality, the higher the better.
    • Power Level - should be between -10 and +10, but the ISP is something broader, VTR for example, -12 to +12. In U.S. some companies require from -5 to +5, while the two values are closer to 0, the better.
  • Upstream  (they call it TX)
    • Power - less than 50 (VTR has 51 as the limit), the smaller the better, this parameter indicates that signal level must be used the modem to send data to the data communication equipment of your ISP. It is as if you're on the phone with another person, if the other person does not get it confirms that what you're talking, you'll increase the volume of your voice to see if the other is listening better or not. Therefore, if this value increase more than 50, means the modem in your house should cry so loud that the other equipment will "listen". In actual experience, if this value goes up the range 54 and 62, the modem starts to reboot and you're going to suffer intermittent Internet or full cut.

To make well argued claim, you must register these data for days, it's recommended to ask your ISP to conduct monitoring of the modem so that they also record these values, so when you call your ISP, with these (bad) values in your hand, can require the ISP to perform the repqairs to improve these values.


Tool to record model values

If you want to record these values from the modem, you can use this script in Linux:

[root@localhost ~]# more register_modem_vtr.sh
#!/bin/bash
while true
do
  x=`date`
  y=`wget -q -O - http://192.168.100.1/RgSignal.asp | grep "dB" | sed -e 's/]*>/ /g' | awk '{printf("%s",$0);}'`
  z=`date`
  echo -ne $x"-"$z $y"\r\n" >> /root/vtr.log
  sleep 60
done
[root@localhost ~]#

With this script running on a Linux server (obviously must be connected to your home network), the content of file /root/vtr.log, you can get results like this:

Fri Feb 5 15:25:31 CLST 2010-Fri Feb 5 15:25:31 CLST 2010 Signal To Noise Ratio 35.4 dB Power Level -11.5 dBmV Power 49.8 dBmV
Fri Feb 5 15:26:31 CLST 2010-Fri Feb 5 15:26:31 CLST 2010 Signal To Noise Ratio 35.6 dB Power Level -11.5 dBmV Power 51.0 dBmV
Fri Feb 5 15:27:31 CLST 2010-Fri Feb 5 15:27:31 CLST 2010 Signal To Noise Ratio 35.6 dB Power Level -11.5 dBmV Power 51.3 dBmV
Fri Feb 5 15:28:31 CLST 2010-Fri Feb 5 15:28:32 CLST 2010 Signal To Noise Ratio 35.6 dB Power Level -11.4 dBmV Power 51.3 dBmV
Fri Feb 5 15:29:32 CLST 2010-Fri Feb 5 15:29:32 CLST 2010 Signal To Noise Ratio 35.6 dB Power Level -11.5 dBmV Power 51.3 dBmV
Fri Feb 5 15:30:32 CLST 2010-Fri Feb 5 15:30:32 CLST 2010 Signal To Noise Ratio 35.7 dB Power Level -11.4 dBmV Power 51.3 dBmV
Fri Feb 5 15:31:32 CLST 2010-Fri Feb 5 15:31:32 CLST 2010 Signal To Noise Ratio 36.0 dB Power Level -10.8 dBmV Power 54.0 dBmV
Fri Feb 5 15:32:32 CLST 2010-Fri Feb 5 15:32:32 CLST 2010 Signal To Noise Ratio 35.5 dB Power Level -11.5 dBmV Power 62.2 dBmV
Fri Feb 5 15:33:32 CLST 2010-Fri Feb 5 15:33:32 CLST 2010 Signal To Noise Ratio 35.6 dB Power Level -11.5 dBmV Power 51.5 dBmV
Fri Feb 5 15:34:32 CLST 2010-Fri Feb 5 15:34:33 CLST 2010 Signal To Noise Ratio 35.7 dB Power Level -10.9 dBmV Power 54.0 dBmV
Fri Feb 5 15:35:33 CLST 2010-Fri Feb 5 15:35:33 CLST 2010 Signal To Noise Ratio 35.9 dB Power Level -11.1 dBmV Power 55.0 dBmV
Fri Feb 5 15:36:33 CLST 2010-Fri Feb 5 15:36:33 CLST 2010 Signal To Noise Ratio 35.7 dB Power Level -11.2 dBmV Power 54.0 dBmV
Fri Feb 5 15:37:33 CLST 2010-Fri Feb 5 15:37:33 CLST 2010 Signal To Noise Ratio 36.0 dB Power Level -11.1 dBmV Power 55.0 dBmV
Fri Feb 5 15:38:33 CLST 2010-Fri Feb 5 15:38:33 CLST 2010 Signal To Noise Ratio 36.0 dB Power Level -10.9 dBmV Power 54.0 dBmV

In this way, you can go to discuss with your ISP with read data. As you see in this log example, there is a record for each minute, the TX-power values from 15:26 hours are totally bad, actually ran about 30 minutes without Internet entirely

 

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